Pegasystems Inc Rosenblatt's 6th Annual Technology Summit: The Age of AI (Part II)
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- Pegasystems operates in the workflow and decision space, serving global firms in industries such as financial services, government, insurance, and healthcare.
- Pegasystems' AI technology is used by clients like Verizon, Wells Fargo, and Commonwealth Bank of Australia to enhance customer interactions and automate workflows such as customer servicing, investigations, claims management, onboarding, and KYC.
- Don Schuerman has been CTO of Pegasystems for about 10 to 12 years and spends half his time engaging with clients on technology roadmaps and half on go-to-market activities.
- Clients face pressure from CEOs and boards to demonstrate AI usage, but the focus is shifting towards deriving measurable business value from AI, including improved customer experiences, increased revenue, efficiency gains, and regulatory adherence.
- Forrester's AI platforms report distinguishes AI platforms from foundation model providers; Pegasystems is recognized for connecting AI models to enterprise workflows, data, and governance.
- Pegasystems differentiates itself by focusing on process re-engineering with its Blueprint tool, which uses AI models to redesign business processes for efficiency and value, rather than just applying AI to existing broken processes.
- Pegasystems emphasizes predictable, repeatable workflows augmented by AI agents performing specific tasks, avoiding costly and unpredictable full process reimagination by AI agents.
- Pegasystems charges clients per case processed rather than per token or per user, enabling predictable costs even when AI agents are used extensively within workflows.
- Pegasystems' architecture is headless and API-driven, allowing integration with multiple front ends and enabling AI agents to interact with workflows via the Model Context Protocol (MCP).
- Clients have begun embedding AI agents as front ends to Pegasystems workflows, and Pegasystems supports calling external agents from its workflows via MCP.
- Pegasystems' revenue model is based on case volume, so increased channel integration generally leads to increased volume and revenue.
- Process Fabric is a registry that unifies workflows across multiple Pega and non-Pega applications, simplifying end-user experience by orchestrating distributed workflows.
- Blueprint allows clients to visualize and simulate workflows quickly, accelerating sales conversations by shifting focus from technology to business value.
- Infinity Studio extends Blueprint's AI capabilities to the build phase, enabling AI-assisted configuration and reducing the need for deep Pega expertise, speeding time to value and reducing resource requirements.
- AI has increased urgency for legacy system modernization, and Pegasystems partners with AWS to analyze legacy code and redesign workflows using Blueprint.
- Clients seek not just to lift and shift legacy systems but to reimagine processes for efficiency and AI integration, leveraging Pegasystems' cloud-based platform.
- Pegasystems views RPA as a temporary band-aid for legacy system integration and expects AI-assisted process redesign to reduce reliance on RPA over time.
- Pegasystems focuses on harnessing AI models to solve specific business workflow problems rather than competing in the LLM speed race or replicating deterministic decisions better handled by traditional technology.
- The company emphasizes maintaining transparency and changeability of business rules through visual process models rather than embedding logic in AI-generated code, which can be opaque and costly to maintain.
- Pegasystems sees AI agents as additive to existing workflows and interfaces, not replacements, supporting both conversational AI and traditional form-based workflows.
- The autonomous enterprise is seen as evolving from many small agents to measurable, workflow-focused AI deployments that improve business outcomes like customer service and cost reduction.
- Process mining is considered a useful input to Blueprint but not sufficient alone; Pegasystems integrates process mining data with industry best practices and partner expertise to design improved workflows.
- Pegasystems is skeptical about the near-term arrival of AGI and focuses instead on pragmatic AI applications that deliver measurable business value today.
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Hi. Good morning. It's Blair Abernethy, a software analyst here at Rosenblatt. Thanks for joining us. With us for this session is Pegasystems. We have Don Schuerman, who has been the longtime CTO of Pega.
Welcome, Don. Nice to be here.
We've got some prepared questions that I'll walk us through, but if anyone in the audience has questions, they can feed them to me through the button in the upper right corner of their screen. Let me just start, Don, just to set some context for the discussion. For some people on the call that might not be as familiar with Pegasystems, maybe just give a brief overview of your business, sort of the core end markets that Pega addresses.
Yeah. Just a little bit about your role.
Certainly. Pega is in the workflow and decision space. We drive what I would call mission-critical workflows and decisions for pretty global firms across industries like financial services, federal and regional governments, insurance, healthcare, et cetera. An example of some of this would be Verizon uses Pega's AI technology, which is sort of a decisioning statistical AI technology, to figure out what the right conversation to have with every client is when they interact with a client. We do similar things for folks like Wells Fargo and Commonwealth Bank of Australia and others. We are also used across industries as a workflow platform for things like customer servicing, investigations management, claims management, onboarding, KYC, those kinds of things.
Great. You have been in your role for a while now, right?
Yeah. I have been around Pega for a little over 25 years. My background is in our support and engineering and then deployment organization. I spent many years doing what I think the cool kids today are calling being a forward deployed engineer. Back then I was just a consultant who knew enough to actually write software when it needed to be written and knew enough people back in product management that if he found things he did not like, he could get it changed.
But I did that for many years. Probably about 10 or 12 years ago, took on the CTO role really in a field-facing capacity. I spend about 50% of my time with CIOs, CTOs, chief architects at our clients and potential clients, really making sure that we understand their roadmaps, their architectural patterns, where they are going with technology, and then making sure that they understand what we are going and we understand the map between those. Then I spend the other half of my time with my team, which is really focused on go-to-market activities. Everything from brand to sales strategy to activation and corporate comps.
Great. That's great because it's really great to get a touchpoint into the way the customers are doing right now, and particularly around AI. How is AI significantly impacting your customers in your key verticals, banking, insurance, healthcare, and so forth?
Well- What are the pain points they're trying to figure out?
Well, I think there's one pain point that everybody's kind of been dealing with, and frankly, we've all been dealing with for, I would argue, since GPT popped up, which is pressure from CEOs and boards to just demonstrate that we're using AI. I think that pain point hasn't gone away. I think there's that continual sort of pressure of are we being AI first? Are we becoming AI-led organizations? Where I think the shift that I'm starting to see in client conversations is shifting that conversation towards value. So it's not just are we using AI?
I thought it was a really interesting bit of whiplash in the market in Q1, Q2, where it seemed like literally in a couple of weeks, we went from everybody talking about token maxing and putting up leaderboards of who was using the most AI and celebrating the people who are burning through millions of tokens every week or month, to a sudden realization that, wait a sec, those people are spending lots and lots of money using those tokens. That stuff is not free, and it's not going to be free. So what we really need to do is actually how do we ensure that in the concept of tokenomics, which has now kind of taken over the conversation, how do we make sure that we're governing our use of AI so that it's attached to where the actual value is?
I am seeing in the client conversations I have a shift back to not just let's do a lot of AI, but where can I use this to drive meaningful value in my business? Ultimately that comes down to where can I use it to drive better customer experiences that help me drive increased revenue. Where can I use it to drive measurable efficiency gains? Not just sort of that generic sense of, yeah, we all have Microsoft Copilot and we feel more productive, but actual measurable efficiency gains, often measured at the process or the workflow level. Things like regulatory adherence, right? The kinds of consistency that, especially in a regulated industry, is absolutely essential when you deploy any technology at scale.
Right. Great. If you look at just a recent Forrester Wave report, and you guys were cited in here ranked very highly as an AI platform category, maybe talk a little bit about how you sort of view what Forrester is saying and how do you differentiate yourselves out there from some of these bigger, broader companies like a Microsoft or a Salesforce?
Yeah. I think this was an interesting report that came out, right? Forrester created this, and this is the first time they've done this classification of what they call AI platforms. I think Forrester is drawing a pretty clear distinction between AI platforms and the foundation model providers. I think that's a really important distinction that I see in the market as well. Because the thing that I'm hearing from the clients that I talk to is less and less attention being paid to the horse race of which model is faster this week. Right? Obviously, there are concerns, especially in the InfoSec area, about the implications of things like Fable and what that means in terms of making sure that you are staying ahead of detecting any holes in your security wall before a model finds it. So there are obviously implications there.
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