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Affirm Holdings, Inc. Class A Common Stock Goldman Sachs Communacopia + Technology Conference 2026

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Speaker

All right, we're going to kick this off. We are very excited here to have Max Levchin yet again from Affirm. Max, thanks for joining us. Really looking forward to the conversation again.

Max LevchinFounder and CEO

Thank you for having me.

Speaker

All right. At the investor forum in May, you framed a business around $100 billion in annual GMV. You laid out a 25% growth algorithm with 10 points each coming from your point-of-sale product, your direct-to-consumer franchise, as well as 1-5 points from some of the more fledgling products, international expansion, the bank distribution. When you look across those buckets, where do you see the biggest go-get, and what do you think needs to happen to get there?

Max LevchinFounder and CEO

It's actually kind of designed to be not dependent on any one thing. We certainly have lots of road to go in the U.S. alone. In last year's holder letter, we pointed out that we're still fairly thin in terms of penetration into top 500 e-commerce retailers. Offline is still very nascent, so just growth of that type alone could take us to our goals, but we're certainly plenty ambitious. None of these, at least the ones you quoted, feel to me like, oh, man, I better put the A team on that. We don't have a B team, fortunately. We're a well-run machine, so B teamers don't survive. But some of the more interesting stuff that is in the other product bucket is what I consider to be the go-gets because they're exciting opportunities to expand the product offerings and just to widen the network.

Speaker

Yeah, makes sense. All right, you don't have a B team. I would argue you kind of have an A team.

Speaker

I would agree. You've been talking more recently about your own personal SWAT team and some of the exciting things you're getting to do with it.

Speaker

You made some leadership changes more recently that I think the goal was to give you more bandwidth to focus on this ZT 1 project initiative that you have. Can you talk a little bit about what has enabled that and how your day-to-day role in the organization could change?

Max LevchinFounder and CEO

Sure. If all of you are paying attention to the comings and goings of my executive team, I apologize, but just on the odd chance not everybody's parsing through my team announcements, there's been no team changes. There's only been responsibility changes. I'm fortunate in a sense that the totality of my direct and their directs, with very few exceptions, have been at Affirm for five-plus years. My direct reports, I think average, last I looked, were something like seven or eight years. I've had a very successful partnership with a handful of people I consider my betters in certainly the ability to execute and many other things.

Max LevchinFounder and CEO

The two players that have, two executives that have been my strongest supporters and folks I lean onto for everything, both sort of the emergencies and the long terms, are Michael, our now President and just recently Chief Operating Officer, and Libor, who is almost a co-founder, has been at Affirm almost as long as I have, who started as our CTO and is also a President of ours. Very recently, I basically realized that the company's already effectively managed by these two guys and consolidated all responsibilities under the two of them, primarily from the recognition that they are, in fact, better operators than I could ever hope to be. I'm also not trying to improve as an operator.

Max LevchinFounder and CEO

What I am trying to do is figure out how to grow Affirm, not just to $100 billion of GMV, but to $200 trillion, wherever the opportunities take us. This consolidation of reporting and zero people were asked to leave Affirm, and I'm very pleased to hear that even as I sort of moved the deck chairs a little bit, no one felt slighted and decided to leave the company. So the executive team is exactly as it was in the beginning of this change. What I've done is I've freed up significant amount of my own time to work with the team we know internally as ZT 1, zero to one, and that team reports directly to me. It's a handful of engineers, handful of product managers, an analyst, and sort of full-time operator.

Max LevchinFounder and CEO

It functions essentially as a lab, sort of a startup within a startup, if you will, where we work entirely on what we call the next set of S-curves. So the Affirm Card, now a large, maybe the most interesting thing we've come up with in the last few years, came out of ZT 1. The next set of to the moon and beyond, or to infinity and beyond curves that we hope to launch will come out of this team.

Max LevchinFounder and CEO

Just to give you a tangible sense for what that looks like, my involvement with ZT 1 until these org changes was on the order of 45 to 60 minutes per week, which was kind of the breath of fresh air that I wanted and was looking forward to every week because that was the moment where I get to nerd out and maybe even write some code sometimes, or certainly read and write some specs, which has now flipped into multiple times a week for a handful of hours. Tomorrow, as it happens, is my ZT 1 in person, which will start as early as I get off the bike and will end with probably very late at night. So I'll spend the entire day working with a handful of people just discussing prototyping, looking at data very deeply, et cetera.

Max LevchinFounder and CEO

If it sounds like I am excited about it, I really am because I think that is the best insurance policy I can take out on making sure the card is not the last 100% year-over-year compounding project we have. The goal is to launch one of those every year. That is not the hard goal, but that is what will ensure we get to the $1 trillion of GMV, hopefully a handful of years from now.

Speaker

I guess with the amount of extra time you are spending now with that team, is that once a year timeframe significantly faster than what you have been able to do historically? Other than the card, are there other examples of things that have seen the light of day out of that project?

Max LevchinFounder and CEO

Yes, there are. I will avoid calling them out simply because I do not want to set the expectations that each one is going to be as successful as the card. But I was bragging to someone else. I will give you a non-answer answer, but I am excited about this one today, so this is what you get. In the last letter, I pointed out that the rough total spend of a consumer that has the Affirm Card in their wallet is about twice the spend of an average Affirm consumer. So it roughly goes from $2,000 to $4,000, with a few dollars difference. Within ZT 1, we have built a product, and this product has been around for a little while. So this is something you can actually piece together by just looking at the various things we have released.

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