Upstart Holdings, Inc. Common stock Goldman Sachs Communacopia + Technology Conference 2026
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All right. We are going to get going with our next fireside. We are very excited to have Paul Gu here, Co-founder of Upstart, longtime Chief Technology Officer, and more recently assuming the role of CEO. Paul, thanks for being here.
Yeah. Excited to be here.
Before we kick it off, I am just going to read a quick disclaimer, and then we can get into it. Today's discussion may contain forward-looking statements that relate to future results and events, which are based on Upstart's information available as of today and are subject to risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from these forward-looking statements. The discussion may also include non-GAAP financial measures, which are not a substitute for GAAP results. Please refer to the company's filings with the SEC and its IR website for additional information, including GAAP to non-GAAP reconciliations along with other disclosures. All right. The exciting legalese out of the way.
Go. Paul, let's kick it off.
Thanks for being here. I wanted to start with what feels like the defining strategic message of your first couple of quarters as CEO. You have been very direct that the core personal loan product is really the superpower of the business. It is the highest margin, most differentiated, and that your first priority was simply to do a lot more of it. So how are you doing against that goal so far, and how do you think about the remaining opportunity to continue to deliver growth in that core product?
Yeah, I think hopefully we showed in Q2 that we're well on our way. In Q2, I think we did something like 3.5 times as much growth in this core personal loan segment as we did in the prior three quarters combined. So a real trajectory change in what's growing in the business and what's not. Yeah, like I said, core personal loans is what we're really, really good at doing. I think we're world-class at being able to do risk separation in this product. As a result of that, we can identify a lot of really good borrowers that we can underwrite uniquely in the market. Therefore, we have a lot of pricing power in. So this is a high-margin product. We're very differentiated, and we can achieve the combination of high growth, high profitability, and good credit performance in the segment.
Naturally, we want to do more of it.
Yeah, that makes. So what does it actually look like to change the strategy internally and get the team focused on core personal loans?
Yeah, it's a good question. Really, it is a cross-company effort to grow any particular business. Something that we've been doing as long as core personal loans, it's never any one or two really simple, obvious things. It's like every team needs to orient its goals around doing this as opposed to something else, and there's always trade-offs in what people focus on. So for us, it's like you can think of the steps of the funnel as there's targeting and marketing, right?
There's these questions of, okay, you have a team that's working on building targeting models for different channels. Do you want them to figure out this problem? How do you get 3% more core personal loan borrowers, or do you want them to find something else? I think we were prioritizing the something else in earlier quarters, and we switched the priority back to this core segment this quarter. The same is basically true of every team as you go each step down the funnel, and you can just imagine there's a bunch of different teams at each step. There's the people who then care about, okay, once some eyeballs show up at the website, how do you convert them to applications? How do you convert those into approvals? How do you convert those into what we call rate accepts?
How do you get those people through verification? The problems of what kind of verification problems or what kinds of automation problems a core personal loan user has versus different segments or different types of loan users have are just different. We just put more emphasis for every team to focus on this as their number one thing, and you can see step function change in results.
Yeah. Just before we move on, just to be clear about the stance on the newer products, some of the secured products that you've launched. Obviously growing the core personal, I think you've been very clear that that's the main strategic objective. Have your views changed in any way about the market opportunity or the growth in some of the newer products over time?
Yeah. We definitely made some changes, and I think maybe the meta thing is I really believe in having consolidated focus and really having crisp alignment across the whole company on what are our top priorities, and you just can't have too many of them. Among other things, one example is we paused on our auto refi product. That's a product that we've been working on for a few years. It was a good product. I think it was something that, in some version of the company, we would still be working on. I think it certainly could have had a role, and there's all these different advantages that that product offered. But it wasn't as high potential, high growth, high momentum as some of our other product bets, so we consolidated that one away.
Today, every single bet that we've got left at the company is one I'm really excited about. I think all of them share the characteristics that they have extremely large addressable markets. They're adjacent to something that the company is already really good at. They have high momentum that we're capitalizing on and doubling down in.
Got it. Okay, let's maybe pivot a little bit, talk about the macro backdrop. We, of course, have the Upstart Macro Index, which is kind of your view of macro as it relates to your segment of the consumer. As of September 3rd, that was relatively stable month-over-month at around 1.5. It's drifted up a little bit year to date. So maybe if you could talk a little bit about that metric. How should investors interpret it? I know you made some changes to definitions and phraseology around it. Then maybe talk a little bit about what it's telling you today about the state of the consumer, and then how that translates to the business.
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