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Mohit BansalBiotech and Pharma Analyst

Thank you very much for joining us today. My name is Mohit Bansal. I am one of the biotech and pharma analysts here at Wells Fargo, and I am joined by AbbVie management team with us today. So from my left to right, we have Roopal Thakkar. He is the EVP and head of research, and Chief Scientific Officer at AbbVie. We have Jeff Stewart. He is the EVP and Chief Commercial Officer at AbbVie. And Scott Reents, he is the CFO of the company. Thank you very much, Team AbbVie, for joining us today.

Jeff StewartEVP and Chief Commercial Officer

Thanks for having us. Thanks for having us.

Jeff StewartEVP and Chief Commercial Officer

Thank you. So exciting times at AbbVie. I do not know. I have leaders from three different sections of AbbVie, so I will probably have 10,000 questions in 35 minutes. Maybe I will start with you, Jeff, right? I am sure there are a lot of questions around immunology. You have done a tremendous job with SKYRIZI and RINVOQ. We do not even talk about HUMIRA anymore. You have consistently outperformed the consensus expectations for SKYRIZI and RINVOQ. Where you sit today, how much underappreciation for the franchise still is, some of that pipeline as well, and then what cards will turn over in next 3-5 years that will make you. That will see us through that.

Jeff StewartEVP and Chief Commercial Officer

Yeah. Thank you very much. No, we're very, very pleased with the historical performance and the visibility we have going forward. I think there's multiple factors in there, and I'll run through them. I think the first is, obviously, the markets that we play in are very substantial, and they're marked with very, very nice growth. We have markets like IBD, or atopic dermatitis, or PSA. These markets grow anywhere from mid-single digits to high single digits. Atopic dermatitis, which is basically the most underdeveloped market, is growing well into the double digits. So the markets themselves are very, very nice areas to play in. What we see that helps drive that market growth, and we've talked about this over time, is as basically innovation comes into these markets, time expands. People live with their conditions. You see line of therapy expansion.

Jeff StewartEVP and Chief Commercial Officer

What that does is it sets up basically these categories for multiple assets that can start to play across subsegments, et cetera. So the markets are very, very nice. The other thing that we look at, SKYRIZI and RINVOQ now are in their eighth year of growth.

Jeff StewartEVP and Chief Commercial Officer

Right We see that we still have significant market share gains that will accrue to the franchise because we watch the distinction between our in-play share and our total market share.

Jeff StewartEVP and Chief Commercial Officer

As long as that in-play share, and for most of our categories, it's still well above our TRX share, we see forward market share growth in these categories. Then we have several categories of our catalyst before we get to the pipeline. Some of them are, we're really, really close on an innovative approach for the sub-Q induction for Crohn's for SKYRIZI, and we're exceptionally excited about the quality of that data, that AFFIRM data. We'll see that later in the quarter. We also have the next generation of indications for RINVOQ, which are very, very positive. So we obviously have already launched giant cell arteritis, that's helping us drive our business in rheumatology.

Jeff StewartEVP and Chief Commercial Officer

But in derm, we're going to have vitiligo, alopecia. We'll have readouts that Rupel can talk about for HS on two assets, RINVOQ and lutikizumab. So when you look at all of those, we're very, very encouraged. I would take note that you may remember on the last earning calls, we've gotten more incrementally excited about the vitiligo and alopecia data, and we upped our long-term guidance to over $3 billion for just those assets themselves. So, we see very, very nice visibility to the momentum. We're in the right markets, and certainly, we know that investors are starting to see a lot more visibility to what comes next. This could be the combination platform I'm sure we'll talk about.

Jeff StewartEVP and Chief Commercial Officer

SKYRIZI plus the super potent alpha-4 beta-7, the TL1A combinations. There are many, many catalysts that will come here for immunology as we move forward.

Mohit BansalBiotech and Pharma Analyst

Got it. This is very helpful. Before we get there, I think the most talked about aspect of IBD market right now is the competition a little bit here. What are you seeing in the marketplace right now? Are investors overestimating the competition versus the growth challenges there, number one? Number two, bring in the sub-Q Crohn's induction regimen in there, and how does it help?

Jeff StewartEVP and Chief Commercial Officer

Sure. We see that the competition across immunology, and we will see in IBD, has played out largely as we predicted. We had predicted that competitive IL 23s would take some share, but the category itself would grow. That is actually what we have seen play out. We continue to have an exceptional position right now with IV only in the front line.</seg <seg id="3">Whereas the competitor is mostly accruing sales in the second line, where we also play with RINVOQ. So we have a very stable and strong position. To your point, we are very, very excited that we will be able to basically bring the sub-Q for Crohn's in the fourth quarter.

Jeff StewartEVP and Chief Commercial Officer

Whereas the competitor is mostly accruing sales in the second line, where we also play with RINVOQ. We have a very stable and strong position. To your point, we are very, very excited that we will be able to basically bring the sub-Q for Crohn's in the fourth quarter.

Jeff StewartEVP and Chief Commercial Officer

That is when we anticipate the approval. The one thing that surprised us, which I think is very positive for investors, is certainly positive for our commercial and our R&D teams, is the quality of our sub-Q data.

Jeff StewartEVP and Chief Commercial Officer

It is very exceptional. In fact, I would say we have not seen anything like this just in terms of induction. Whether it was a sub-Q or an IV, it is exceptional data. This is the AFFIRM data, and there will be more data releases pending about that data. We are very, very excited about it. We have released the top line, so we see tremendous endoscopic healing. We have not seen anything match it. It is better than our own IV.

Jeff StewartEVP and Chief Commercial Officer

This catalyst that you have talked about, certainly we believe that we have a very strong position in IBD, but this new data will help us accelerate our position over time.</seg <seg id="3">Got it. Very helpful. In immunology, I want to touch upon your platform study here as well. As the first data set from these studies emerge, what signals are you looking for, we should be looking for from these combinations that will make us comfortable that SKYRIZI has a long tail or SKYRIZI plus has a long tail going forward?

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