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Sean LaamanHead of U.S. Mid-Cap Biotech Equity Research

Good afternoon, everyone. I'm Sean Laaman, Head of U.S. Mid-Cap Biotech Equity Research here at Morgan Stanley, and welcome to Morgan Stanley Global Healthcare Conference. Before we commence, just to make you aware of some important disclosures, please see those disclosures at the Morgan Stanley Research Disclosure website at www.morganstanley.com/researchdisclosures. If you have any questions on those, please reach out to your Morgan Stanley sales representative. For this session, we have Immunocore, and from Immunocore we have the CEO, Bahija Jallal, and CFO and Head of Corporate Development, Travis Coy. Welcome, both of you, and thanks for your time.

Bahija JallalCEO

Thank you for having us.

Sean LaamanHead of U.S. Mid-Cap Biotech Equity Research

Maybe the first couple of questions just on the macro outlook. How is the rise of China origin innovation changing your competitive positioning, if at all, and does it change your R&D and BD playbook?

Bahija JallalCEO

First of all, thank you for having us. China has been fastest in areas where the biology is known, for instance, like checkpoint inhibitors, ADCs, and bispecifics against extracellular domain. The pressure is real, and I think if your edge was to get to a known target fast, that edge is very thinning. Where we sit, we are in the TCR, and speed is not the edge that we go after because we are really dealing with something very complex inside the intracellular and that complex of HLA and peptide and how it interacts with the TCR. That means TCR engineering and specificity is very important. The speed is not our problem right now, but really finding the right target is.

Bahija JallalCEO

I think where it has an impact now is definitely on the business development side of things. I think when you look at the China definitely set the bar for what a phase I asset, for instance, is. With that supply and demand, really when the cost is not an issue, because of that supply and demand, the bar becomes very high and the scrutiny and the judgment of what assets you bring is very important. I would say, I will finish just with this one, the differentiation is no longer how fast you can get there, but how you can have something that's harder to copy, basically.

Sean LaamanHead of U.S. Mid-Cap Biotech Equity Research

Sure. Thank you. Are you implementing AI adoption across your business, and has Dory changed a decision, a timeline, a cost, or a POS?

Bahija JallalCEO

Yeah, I think it's an amazing technology. I would describe it that way. Where it had already had an impact for us is the upstream. Basically, what we used to do is, like I said, the complex of HLA and peptide is really very finicky and how the TCR sits on that is something that we used to do, crystal structure to even know how this is happening. You can imagine that it's tedious, it takes time, and stuff like that. We don't do it anymore. Thanks to AI simulation and things like that, we actually do all that aspect in silico.

Bahija JallalCEO

I think where I am really excited about, I cannot say that we do it systematically today, is when you look at the whole drug development process, and if you can just focus on compressing time and you improve by 1%, this is the challenge I'm giving my organization. You can improve 1% in every single step. You can imagine how we can reduce that lengthy time. Things like what we do today, for instance, how to answer the RFIs which come from regulatory agencies, how we automate all that, and how we can put AI into work. There is a lot to do, and I'm really excited about that.

Sean LaamanHead of U.S. Mid-Cap Biotech Equity Research

Wonderful. Thank you. Last question before we go Immunocore specific.

Sean LaamanHead of U.S. Mid-Cap Biotech Equity Research

Sure. Which policy variable, FDA, Medicare negotiation, MFN, tariffs, or global pricing matters most to your economics?

Sean LaamanHead of U.S. Mid-Cap Biotech Equity Research

What have you changed, if anything, because of it?

Bahija JallalCEO

Yeah. I think without hesitation, I would say FDA and predictability. I think that has the huge impact. I think where we sit as a company today, we are with KIMMTRAK, more of a rare disease, so with small populations. So the impact on tariffs and pricing and stuff like that doesn't fall on us the same way as most of the big companies here. Having said that, where it's really we cannot edge is with the FDA, the predictability, because for instance, we have three phase III trials that are ongoing. That's millions of USD. That's also a long time, and what you want to have is that the goal posts don't change by the time you arrive there. So I would say that that's really the big things.

Bahija JallalCEO

We didn't change anything, and I don't think anyone can tell you that you can change things, especially when it's regards to policies that will change anyway.

Bahija JallalCEO

Sure. You have to be prepared.

Bahija JallalCEO

You have to run scenarios for yourself, and that's exactly what we're doing.

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