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Kristine LiwagAerospace Defense Analyst

All right. Good morning, everyone. Bright and early here in the West Coast. It's 7:00 A.M., but it's already 10:00 A.M. Eastern, so I guess it's not so bad. I'm Kristine Liwag, Morgan Stanley's Aerospace Defense analyst. I'm very excited to host our next panel with FTAI Aviation, Joe Adams, CEO. Joe, welcome. Thank you. Before we start, let me read our disclosures.

Kristine LiwagAerospace Defense Analyst

For important disclosures, please see the Morgan Stanley Research Disclosure website at www.morganstanley.com/researchdisclosures. If you have any questions, please reach out to your Morgan Stanley representative. With that, Joe, maybe I'll pass it on to you for some opening remarks.

Joe AdamsCEO

Sure. Thanks very much, Kristine, and thanks for having me be back again this year. I think I've been coming here almost 10 years now to this conference. It's a great get-together, great conference, great investors. I really enjoy catching up with everyone. I think we met probably about four or five years ago, I think, when you had your little radio broadcast at Morgan Stanley, and we were talking about, I think it was the first time we started talking about aerospace products. We thought we could grow it from a business that we just began, which we called The Module Factory, which was doing about $50 million of EBITDA to $500 million of EBITDA. I don't remember if you actually said no way, but I sensed that you were thinking no way.

Joe AdamsCEO

As we've grown that business this year, we're looking at doing $3.5 billion of revenues, over $1 billion of EBITDA, and next year growing further to $4.7 billion of revenue and $1.4 billion of EBITDA. The market acceptance and the market opportunity for that has been much bigger than we expected, and it still has an enormous potential. Essentially, what I think of it as is a better way to do aftermarket engine maintenance. It's a model where we combine the ownership of the engine with the ownership and management of the maintenance facilities, and that gives us a different way of thinking about it, a more efficient way. When you're an owner, you think about maintenance differently. We've designed an extremely efficient production process. We optimize. We call ourselves the zero-waste people. We don't waste hours and cycles.

Joe AdamsCEO

We have scale so we can buy material, which is a big part of it, flexibly and at very attractive prices. We combine really the opportunity to use every available tool to reduce the cost of maintenance for the owners and the airlines. What that means is then we can go to the airlines and the owners and say, "We have a better value proposition. We can actually save you real money, time and time savings." We can demonstrate a demonstrable benefit to the product, and that's what has really allowed us to grow significantly. We started with the best engines in the world, which I think are the CFM56 and the V2500, and we will expand from there. There are other engines that the same business model will work.

Joe AdamsCEO

We think of this as a very sustainable and durable way to do engine maintenance. The other part of it is a couple of years ago, we realized that these benefits of owning engines and maintaining yourselves also would allow an owner, like a lessor, to create better returns. We realized that we had the opportunity to set up our own asset management business where we could show the investor, we could demonstrate better returns, do all the engine maintenance through engine exchanges, and allow us to increase our footprint in the industry, which means we look bigger to the customer, we look bigger to the industry. We control a lot of maintenance, and it has huge benefits, and it allowed us to do it using other people's money. It's not a capital-intensive activity for FTAI Aviation.

Joe AdamsCEO

We think that that combination further propels us, and it gives us extraordinary leverage to continue to grow in multiple directions. Lastly, as you know, we didn't plan on power in the beginning because we didn't know the opportunity would exist in this scale. But when we realized that there's a shortage of blades and vanes for manufacture and people can't produce them fast enough, we started thinking, well, how could you solve that problem? The answer to us was, well, then don't make new blades and vanes. Why don't you take an existing asset and convert it? We looked around and said, what asset is big enough to make a difference to produce gigawatts of power in the aviation industry? There's only one. It's really the CFM56. It happened to be our focus engine.

Joe AdamsCEO

We owned 1,000 of them, and we said, "This is something we really can do and should do." That became really the third part, and it also has the potential to extend the life of this platform for 20 years and gives us an alternative use for run-out engines. It has also tremendous benefits. All three of these activities really feed each other in a positive way.

Kristine LiwagAerospace Defense Analyst

That's super helpful, Joe. I will confirm in our first meeting when you did say the first billion-dollar EBITDA, I did not believe you. I think there's a recording of that webcast somewhere in the Morgan Stanley portal. But here you are. You're at $1 billion for aerospace products this year. Maybe we could talk about the different businesses and pieces, right? You have aerospace products, you've got the strategic capital initiative, and then by the way, in addition to power, you've got PMA somewhere in there as well.

Kristine LiwagAerospace Defense Analyst

Yep. Can we break down some of these pieces?

Kristine LiwagAerospace Defense Analyst

From my conversations with investors, and when you look at the stock, there's a lot of skepticism regarding your value add. Can we go back to aerospace products and talk about how is your approach to engine maintenance different? The discussion that's happening in the industry, initially, your margins in aerospace products was 40%. In the last few quarters, it's below 30%. Historically, when you look at traditional engine MRO shops, their margins are around mid-teens, and that's for a good shop. Some of the ones that are less efficient, they might be at low double digits.

Kristine LiwagAerospace Defense Analyst

Yes. Can you level set us regarding what exactly do you do?

Kristine LiwagAerospace Defense Analyst

How is this different? What's your value add? What is normalized margin for that business?

Kristine LiwagAerospace Defense Analyst

Sure. What do you think about market share?

Joe AdamsCEO

Sure. I guess a lot of things I mentioned in the opening is really to contribute. The value add comes largely from owning the engine, as opposed to other people do maintenance on an engine they do not own, and people are selling parts to someone who has an engine they don't own. The incentive for every other participant or many other participants in the industry is to do more maintenance, is to expand the work scope. As an owner, our incentive is not to do that. It's the opposite. What we did is when we first went into the maintenance business is literally went line by line in every area of expenditure in a shop visit and analyzed how to do that better, how to create additional savings, and how to not waste hours and cycles that could be used in a different combination.

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