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James FishManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst

All righty. Jim Fisher with Piper Sandler. Good morning, everybody. Thanks again for joining us. With us, we have TJ and Jim from AvePoint. Appreciate you guys joining us here in Nashville.

TJ JiangCEO

Thank you for having us.

James FishManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst

Thanks for having us. Maybe just to set the stage, the question we've been asking everybody here is, as we head into year-end, how is IT spending looking?

James FishManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst

How are sales cycles? What's the impact of AI on budgets, and how does that benefit you guys?

TJ JiangCEO

From a demand climate, it continues to be robust. What we see, last year, the theme of the day was token maxing. This year, the theme of the day is agentic AI. Of course, cost is a paramount concern, as well as risks that AI agents are causing. So we see very strong demand around agentic governance, agentic management. From that perspective, I think from an IT budget, these are top of mind for C-levels, so it is almost a separate conversation. We do see enterprises are blowing through their AI budgets fairly quickly in the beginning of the year, but that has required a lot more attention now in outcome-based measurements around AI spend. So there is a fair amount of discipline around that. But overall, the awareness around risk and cost management of AI, it is really top of mind.

James FishManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst

Literally was talking to my own CIO last night about agentic governance, so funny you bring that up. I guess, how is AvePoint's platform specifically discovering, controlling, and securing data flows for AI agents compared to traditional human access? As we think about AI use cases, whether it is DSPM, resilience, control, can we rank the priorities here?

TJ JiangCEO

The good thing is this has been something we have been doing for a decade plus, coming from an enterprise content management heritage and being able to do this in cloud at scale. Firstly, to help enterprises manage human access of data, so the better curation, classification, and cataloging, and starting in the regulated industry, and then now becoming a very common request in the commercial side in the non-regulated industry, because folks are realizing the quality of the foundational data is super important to drive good refinement training and refinement outcome for AI deployments. So we historically have helped companies manage employee data access, employee sharing and oversharing, IP leakage, and access control, so data security posture management, for example, for all unstructured data in the productivity side, whether it is Office 365 and now, of course, Google Workspace.

TJ JiangCEO

But now with AI, it is really employees operating at machine speed almost, because when you buy Copilot, an AI agent, by default, that agent inherits your entire permission structure. And now quickly, folks are realizing that is not a good idea to have something essentially move at machine speed on your behalf and be able to access all the systems and all the data you have access to, but then you have no control over how it has been shared, how it has been acted on. That is becoming a problem. So the top of mind now is to first discover all the agents running in company environment, including shadow AI, by the way. There is a fair amount of that happening, where employees are getting their consumer subscription of cloud, even using open cloud on devices.

TJ JiangCEO

Those are effectively unsanctioned use cases where corporate data could be leaked back to the model providers, and that is becoming another serious concern. So effectively, the top of mind today is the risk side of it. First, discover what actual risk exposure you have in the first place, and then bring them under management, bring them under governance. Shut down the shadow AI usage, because the IP leakage consideration as well, and of course, cost management. So security is top of mind, for sure. Then, DSPM, security posture management, that auditability of information access, it is corollary to that. Because what we do also is to recover when AI does do specific damage to the internal environment or shut down AI access or even runtime because of this incurring too much cost.

James FishManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst

Got it. So Jim, maybe for you on this in terms of blending what I have asked here together. How quickly can AI governance, DSPM, translate into net new ARR? How is AvePoint selling this in terms of is it an add-on or is budget being created? Can you walk us through that?

Jim CaciCFO

Yeah, great question. So specifically about what TJ was just alluding to around agents, we have a product that we recently released for GA back in January, AgentPulse, and we initially monetized it as a bundled strategy in our control suite. So when you think about governance, we added this agentic AI tool, our AgentPulse tool, and included it in the bundles. So it was not sold separately, but really just part of the bundles. It really helped accelerate customer adoption of our bundle strategy. But there was so much demand coming from customers that have a specific agent problem, what TJ just alluded to, in terms of, "I do not even know how many agents are in my environment.

Jim CaciCFO

Before I solve my whole control suite environment, my whole governance strategy, can you first help me identify what rogue agents might be running around in my environment?" So we released in July, AgentPulse as a standalone SKU. So that has been really popular right now from customers. So the monetization of that, what we tried to do is keep it very simple. Most licensing for the past 40 years has been seat-based licensing. So what we did is to reduce friction was we did not go consumption for all the reasons we just talked about, in terms of people trying to budget for consumption. We kept it a seat-based license to make it simple, reduce friction, make it easier for procurement departments to get it through. That seems to be really resonating with our customers.

James FishManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst

Do you see that standalone versus bundled, how does that mix play out over time, do you think?

Jim CaciCFO

Yeah, it's a great point. I would say what we see is almost an entry point. Right now, there are problems in companies' environments where there's an agentic or an agent problem, where we know there's agents running around in the environment. But maybe we don't know how many, we don't know who owns them, we don't know what they have access to. We don't know what kind of security risks. So there's an immediate crisis for CIOs, CTOs to get a handle on, "Hey, what's happening with these agents?" Even though they may recognize, I have a bigger governance problem with all of my data, I have an immediate crisis with I may have agents that are really putting me at risk.

Jim CaciCFO

The idea of us introducing it as a standalone SKU was to address really that use case, which is how do we affect somebody's immediate problem before trying to solve the bigger problem? They have an immediate problem, and can we address that? And the answer is yes. So we decided, hey, let's reduce the sales cycle, because if you're just addressing one specific use case and a problem, usually the sales cycle is shorter. And that's what we've seen so far. And again, that was the driver for really releasing it in July.

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