Lumentum Holdings Inc. Common Stock Citi’s 2026 Global TMT Conference
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Thank you everyone for joining us today, and welcome again to day 2 of our ATET Tech Conference. My name is Papa Sylla. I am the U.S. Optical Networking Analyst here at Citi, and I am very pleased to welcome Wupen Yuen, who is the President of Global Business Units, and prior to that, President of Cloud and Networking. And of course, we have Kathy Ta, who you know very well, the VP of IR of Lumentum as well. First of all, I am very glad to still have you now. I would not be surprised if, Wupen, you cancel last minute to secure more capacity at this point.
Well, this is important. This is really important.
Yeah, thank you for joining us. Maybe to get started, I will ask questions, and then we will leave the last maybe 10 minutes for your questions as well, if you have any. To get started, Wupen and Kathy, I guess, given your role into AI, I am curious to first have your take around. Also optical and networking is playing a more and more important role into this AI infrastructure. So just if you can touch on that as well before we touch on the company in general.
Yeah. Let me jump in here. I think the AI really is, we are at the very beginning of AI, right? If you look at the whole industry here, yesterday we saw in this article talking about Anthropic in a year signed up $517 billion worth of compute, right? Today, the demand of AI way exceeds that of supply, and we are not seeing it changing. It is very different from the past cycles of optical, which is really for infrastructure, for communications. This is really for the intelligence, the generation, and also serving the intelligence. So, the demand is just absolutely crazy. We do not see that changing for the next at least couple of years, if not longer. As a result, as AI making progress into faster throughput, bigger models, more specification, the agentic AIs, the connectivity requirement is also increasing.
Every generation of GPUs or TPUs getting more and more bandwidth. With copper running into the limitations of physics, more of the optical has to be used for interconnecting this XPU. Therefore, we are seeing the demand for optical connectivity is also increasing as generations goes on. Therefore, we feel both the demand side and also the technical requirement continue to escalate, and all this actually is good for the optical world that we are in today.
Papa, if I could just add on to that. Thank you again for hosting us at the conference. It has been just a fantastic conference for us. We really appreciate that. I will just add on to what Wu Pan just said. If we think of Data Center Interconnect or the telecom market being sort of a 1x multiple, what we are seeing now for scale-across is probably 10x of what we saw for DCI. What we are seeing now for scale-out is probably 10x of what we are seeing for DCI. What we are seeing for scale-up, starting in the second half of 2027 for the first instance of CPO going to scale-up, is probably 3x to 4x above the 10x that we are seeing for scale-out. Then when all of scale-up goes optical, it is probably a full 10x above the 10x of scale-out.
There are many multiples of optical bandwidth that we are needing to deploy in data centers, and we are not yet even talking about scale in. I think you may have a question for us later on scale in. There is another 10x multiple there, so it is mind-boggling in terms of what we are enabling in terms of enabling the compute.
Absolutely. It has been quite a fascinating journey. I am curious on, I guess it has been not too long since last earnings, but just curious on the state of supply-demand gap at this point. Where are we? Is it extending? Any general kind of update on that front?
Yeah, I think it is still extending, right? Today, we are still short everywhere, right? The laser, think laser, for example, we are short. DML is short. CW laser is short. We do not see the shortage going away in 2027, right? I think 2027 is going to be another major year. People forecast just the scale-out module is going to be doubling the volume on 2026 to 2027. Laser supply is not really catching up to it, right? In 2028, the scale up is going to happen, are going to drive yet another 3 to 4x of increase of demand. So we really do not see the laser supply-demand gap actually close within the next couple of years. We are doing the very best we can.
To this day, we are still allocating capacities, in some cases based on pricing, right, expedite fees and things like that in order to make sure that we serve to the most profitable opportunities. That is the case today. The pricing remains very healthy. All the deals we are making today are equal or higher pricing than the escalated pricing that we already had before. So overall, we are seeing the pricing environment continue to be very favorable, and that is a kind of a signal that the supply-demand gap still remains.
Absolutely. Maybe before diving deep into the different kind of segments, Kathy, maybe one question for you. Recently, you updated your 2028 target to $40. I think it probably came earlier than most expected because you typically do that, I think, at OFC.
Yeah. Yeah. Just curious on the timing and, yeah.
Yeah, sure. Again, thanks for the setup there. Since our last earnings call, we learned that we have more opportunity in OCS than we previously had understood. That visibility in OCS enables us to be very confident about, for the first time I think ever, putting out a fiscal year 2028 guidance on EPS of $40. The upside that we are seeing from OCS enables us to get there, and that OCS upside is coming from our largest customer, and it is a function of more units. More units that we need to ship to them, and it probably is in large part due to their success in the market and in our success with them in enabling their success in the market as they begin to sell hardware.
Yeah. I will probably circle back to OCS, but just a quick follow-up. I guess, is that more back-loaded, more 2027, 2028, or is that every single quarter you are seeing more demand for OCS?
I think it does layer in as we move through the fiscal quarters of 2028. This is a $40 EPS in fiscal 2028, and it kind of pertains to all of the quarters of fiscal 2028. You should probably think of it as layering in linearly and increasing as we move through fiscal 2028.
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