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Rich HightowerManaging Director and Research Analyst

I think out of respect for everyone's time, we'll try to get started on time here. Rich Hightower with the Barclays REIT team. Thank you for being here, everyone in the room and everyone online. I'll do a quick round of intros, and then we'll get going on the questioning. Immediately to my right is Michael Bilerman, EVP, CFO, and CIO of Tanger. To his right, we have Ross Cooper, President, CIO of Kimco. Finally, at the far end, John Caulfield, EVP, and CFO of Phillips Edison & Company. I appreciate you gentlemen being here, of course.

Rich HightowerManaging Director and Research Analyst

I think maybe just for the benefit of the folks in the room and listening in, if they're not quite familiar with your companies, just give us 60 seconds on who you are, what sort of differentiates you within the retail REIT sector at large, and we'll go from there. Michael, we'll start with you.

Michael BilermanEVP, CFO, and CIO

Great. We're Tanger Inc, ticker SKT. We're obviously a retail REIT, about $6.5 billion to $7 billion of EV, $4.5 billion of equity market cap. We are an open-air REIT that's focused on the outlet channel as well as open-air lifestyle centers, 38 outlets. Who's been to an outlet? I've been to one. All right, good. You know what outlet centers are and open-air lifestyle centers. We've been in business for over 40 years. We've been traded on the NYSE for over 30. Just from a financial structure perspective, our current dividend of $1.25 represents about 66% to 60% of our cash flow. The industry is about 75%, so we're keeping more of our free cash flow to invest. From a leverage perspective, we're currently at 4.7 times debt to EBITDA relative to a five to seven times target.

Michael BilermanEVP, CFO, and CIO

We not only have additional free cash flow to drive our growth, but we have a balance sheet positioned for growth.

Ross CooperPresident and CIO

Sounds good. Hi, everybody. Ross Cooper, President and Chief Investment Officer at Kimco.

Ross CooperPresident and CIO

I've been at the company now over 20 years. We own currently about 564 shopping centers at 100 million square feet gross. Diversified geographically throughout the country, but primarily in the top 20 or so major MSAs. We own all types of format of open-air retail, but primarily grocery-anchored and mixed-use shopping centers. We've been in existence since the late 1950s, public since 1991, and current enterprise value is plus or minus $24 billion. We continue to look for opportunities to grow the portfolio, grow the earnings stream. We've seen a tremendous amount of success operationally, which we'll get into in the panel. I won't steal too much of the thunder of the conversation, but excited to be here.

John CaulfieldEVP and CFO

My name is John Caulfield. I'm the Chief Financial Officer for Phillips Edison & Company. I've been at PECO for about 12 years. I think we are sort of the new kid on the block relative to this. We've been publicly traded for five, but we have been around for 35 years. We focus exclusively on grocery-anchored shopping centers. For us, we own about 330 of them in 31 states. We focus on the three-mile trade ring in the neighborhood where that grocery, we have the number one or number two grocer, and then we have in-line neighbors which is what we call our tenants. We're ultimately that place in the community that people go to two and three times a week.

John CaulfieldEVP and CFO

In terms of overall growth profile, we also have a very low leverage, right around five times on a debt-to-EBITDA basis, with a low to mid five times target. We look to grow our internal cash flow 3%-4% a year. We also call that same center NOI growth. But ultimately, we're looking to grow our earnings per share at a mid to high single-digit FFO per share annually, combined with a 3%-3.5% dividend, which we think will deliver 9%-10% annual return to our investors. I think it's a great representation of different styles of open-air retail.

Rich HightowerManaging Director and Research Analyst

Rich? Yeah, I'll jump off from there, and then we'll get to the earnings and total return algorithms.

Rich HightowerManaging Director and Research Analyst

We'll dive more into that later as well. Broadly speaking, I think as I look around the different REIT sectors, retail, both within the grocery-anchored, more sort of necessity-based, and even within the more discretionary categories, it's got one of the best supply versus demand fundamental setups, I think out of Senior housing is probably the other one that immediately comes to mind, and I'm sure we can name others, but retail is very favorably positioned. John, I'll start with you, and we'll kind of come back this way. Talk about what that fundamental backdrop looks like for PECO, and explain how that flows through into leasing and occupancy, and what's the opportunity from here as being driven by that fundamental backdrop?

John CaulfieldEVP and CFO

Yeah. Occupancy of retail is very high in this environment, and part of it is because new construction is very expensive. It does have the opportunity to happen. There are places we spend our development dollars on building out parcels in our parking lots, trying to buy adjacent land. But ultimately, overall retail is high. But that allows us to have pricing power. Ultimately, we're seeing, this is, I believe, the third or fourth year in a row where our renewal spreads are over 20%. As rents are coming up and on renewals, that's so important because we put in very little capital dollars for that. Retail real estate, particularly those owned by the REITs, is the best in the market. I haven't seen the stat, Michael, you might know this, or Ross.

John CaulfieldEVP and CFO

It's some fraction that the REITs actually own, and generally the REITs own the best. For us, we're focused on that three-mile trade ring, and we have 83% of our centers have the number one or number two grocer in a market. Ultimately, that brings the foot traffic that allows the retailers to be successful. High occupancy gives us the ability to further push rents, which improves the merchandising rigs, ultimately improves their sales, allows us to push rents more, and it kind of goes from there. I think that it is a very positive environment, and I think that sometimes there's a concern of, well, maybe all the growth is gone, and I would say absolutely not. We continue to generate and that's why I think about the percentage that the REITs own. We have a lot of transaction volume.

John CaulfieldEVP and CFO

We buy a lot of centers. We're going to buy between $500 million and $600 million of assets this year, but we're also selling $100 million to $200 million of assets this year, and that gives us opportunity to refresh what our teams are working on. We do all of our own leasing and all of our own property management, all of our own portfolio management, and we're able to drive rents because we're in the market, and that's what we specialize in.

Rich HightowerManaging Director and Research Analyst

Yeah. Ross, keep us going on the fundamental side.

Ross CooperPresident and CIO

Yeah, just adding on to that. I think you articulated it, but I completely agree. It is very difficult to see that the supply-demand dynamics, which are very much in our favor as landlords, is going to change anytime soon. We ran some studies and some others. Research have reported that we would need to see anywhere from 50 upwards of 65% in terms of market rent increases Yep on retail rents in order for a developer to justify any substantial amount of new development.

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