Cooper-Standard Automotive Inc. J.P. Morgan Automotive Conference
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For the next presentation, we've got Cooper-Standard with us, and we're pleased to have the CEO and CFO. We have Jeffrey Edwards and Jonathan Banas with us.
Thank you. Good to be here.
Thank you so much for taking the time.
Good to see everybody. Good to be here.
Maybe just diving right into it, we will just recap second quarter results for the investors. You guys reported last week a solid set of results on the top line, and we saw some compression on the EBITDA margin. I just wanted to recap just some highlights of what were some of the one-time items you guys saw in the second quarter, and how was overall production tracking, and how should we think about just the drivers of the results?
Yeah, I think as we looked at the second quarter results, clearly impacted for us was basically an inflation quarter. We actually suggested it would be at the end of the first quarter because oil prices impact our company in a big way. Every $1 a barrel of oil up is $450,000 of EBITDA, up or down. Our business plan for the year was at $65, and the average price of oil in the second quarter was over $90. Obviously a big impact. If you are just keeping it real simple, if you look at the impact that the commodities had, in addition to a little bit of tariff, it was around an $18 million hit to the quarter. If you add the 18 onto the 53 that we reported, we are probably ahead of everything that people said, but there is not much we can do about that.
The good news is we have indexed contracts with our customers. Effective July 1st, the price increases for oil went from 65 to, call it, low 90s, and we began to recover the monies in the third quarter that we gave away in the second. Assuming the conflict is over at some point in time here in the third quarter, we would recover most of what we inherited by the end of the year. Probably a little bit would spill over into the first quarter of next year as well. But I am done predicting the end to the Middle East conflict, so I will just leave it at that.
No, makes sense. I think just stretching it from there, the second half walk, because you guys are looking at the guidance, you tightened a little bit of the range, but largely unchanged, and it implies a steep ramp-up in the margin level from here. Is that more along the confidence of how much you've taken in net recovery still now in the month of July? Or maybe just some new underlying assumptions that you've taken for oil prices, just some of the puts and takes there? How much conservatism, if any, is baked into it to go to the lower high end of the range?
Yeah, I think start with the good news. I think our top line is basically what we've expected it would be for the first half of the year and is tracking as well. There's always puts and takes with volume and mix in our industry. There was a little bit of put and take in the first half. There'll probably be some of that in the second half. But I would use the word stable when I talk about the business, really in all the regions. So that's the good news. The intent with the second half guidance that we put out there is, in essence, we would recover virtually all of the inflation that hit us in the second quarter. We would recover all that in the third and then some into the fourth, and that's the reason for the increase.
If you go back and look at the business over the last three years and you look at the-- We ended last year just under our margins, anyway, or have expanded every year. We're at just under 12% in 2025. We're tracking above that this year. Our 2030 projections are 15%. So if you draw a line from 2023 to 2030, we're still right on that line. Obviously, you have virtually no volume uptick in those numbers. It's basically a flat 90 million units between now and 2030, is what the forecasting folks are saying. So that's what's in our numbers. If there's volume upside, then the numbers get better. In addition to that, we'll triple our return on invested capital over the course of the next three years. We were 7% last year. So you can do the math by the time we get to 2028.
We feel very positive about the health and the trajectory of the company. In fact, by 2030, we expect it to be about $3.8 billion on the top line. So up $1 billion from 2025 to 2030, all organic growth. So a lot of positives going on, and we feel very good about the cost base, the pricing that's been established in the world, and the indexing agreements that we have that allow us to really defend ourselves through times like this. Historically, that hasn't been the case. But with these new contracts, and for the first time, we put those in effect July 1st, and it's working. It just doesn't feel like that when you look at the quarterly result. But the overall health of the business is very good.
No, makes sense. Just double-tapping on the raw mats piece.
Given just the correlation over there, how much of this is a direct headwind that you guys face in terms of the raw mats that you procure, material costs, and how much would be an indirect effect of just freight or any reimbursements you have to give to tier 2s or 3s? Can you size us? You give some numbers on the correlation, right? Like for every barrel of oil.
What is the assumption that you guys have taken in the latest guidance on an oil price range? Because we have had other companies, like rubber companies, tire companies, and all, also going through a similar dynamic there with a lot of swing. Just walk us through those pieces.
Yeah. Our assumption in the guidance is basically we are going to recover what it cost us in the second quarter. We will recover that in the third and the fourth. If there is continued inflation headwinds in the third, then you obviously recover that with that same quarter lag. Assuming that the price of oil remains below our current $92, then we should be fine. There is fluctuations, as you know, in the past 30 days, that I think it has been the range is something like 77 to 97. So there is still a lot of volatility there, and the way the indexes work, you just take an average for the quarter, then that becomes your new price point. So let us see how it plays out. Do you want to talk about the rest, John? Other inflation and some of those costs that were embedded in the total gap for the quarter?
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