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Patrick DavittAnalyst

this research. As a reminder, if you'd like to ask any questions at the end of the session, you can email me at pdavitt@autonomous.com, ping me on Bloomberg, or there should be a link in your calendar request for a Q&A box in Slido. So if you want to just put it in there, I'll get that on my screen as well. So with that, it's my pleasure to welcome Abacus Global Management's Chairman and CEO, Jay Jackson. Jay, thanks for joining us this morning.

Patrick DavittAnalyst

Yeah, excited. Thank you. Perhaps to start, for investors that might not be as close to your story in this world, I think it'd be helpful to get a quick overview of what Life Settlements is Yeah your position in that market, and why you think it's such a compelling asset class for investors.

Jay JacksonChairman and CEO

Sure. Super interesting asset, and one thing to really take into consideration is where Abacus sits in this process is that, we're the origination company, the market maker of the asset. This is a highly regulated asset, where we're licensed in nearly every state that requires it. We're regulated by the state's insurance department. To source the asset, we typically source these from financial advisors, potentially their insurance agents, and/or the policyholder themselves. This is really just about an information campaign. It's really what it comes down to. We educate people that their life insurance policy is actually personal property, as set forth by the Supreme Court over 100 years ago. There's $14 trillion of life insurance assets in force today. 90% of those assets will not pay a claim.

Jay JacksonChairman and CEO

Not because the insurance company has done anything nefarious, it's just that the way traditionally people have used their life insurance policy is that they use it for a certain amount of time, their kids age, their family grows up, they don't really need it anymore, and then they simply just return it back to the carrier by stop making payments. What Abacus does is steps into that process and says, "Wait a minute. It's personal property. What's the NPV of that contract today?" So if you're 80 years old, you have a million dollar life insurance policy you've been paying into, that NPV could be as high as $300,000 or $400,000. We do that by helping them better understand how much more time they have in that contract.

Jay JacksonChairman and CEO

That's the solve for NPV, and we aggregate their medical files, we receive their signed HIPAA. Through the medical files we use excessive amount of data to help establish what their mortality outcome most probabilistically looks like by actual mortalities that have occurred based upon the same medical profile that they have. So, in a nutshell, where Abacus sits in this is, you look at our flywheel, the core of this is that we're an origination and market maker company that also asset manages the business. We sell the data and technology. We capitalize on that through our Abacus Intel. Now we're taking that and moving that into private wealth and wealth management because we create so much wealth for our clients. We'll pay out nearly a quarter of a billion dollars in new capital to people in retirement.

Jay JacksonChairman and CEO

How is that liquidity ultimately going to get allocated? We want to make sure that we can kind of monetize that into our own fee structure.

Patrick DavittAnalyst

You talked a lot about how it is compelling for the investors selling you their life policies. How is it compelling for investors that are investing in your products?

Patrick DavittAnalyst

Yeah securitizations as we think about it.

Patrick DavittAnalyst

For sure. evolving to be more of a third-party business?

Jay JacksonChairman and CEO

Absolutely. The institutional interest in this asset has really grown significantly over the last decade. In the last 2 or 3 years, it's really grown, and I would even argue the last year. We've seen some volatility in private credit type products. What makes this asset so unique are, here's 3 unique qualities. One is that it's typically, if this is a form of credit, it's issued by an A-rated carrier that has a default ratio of near zero over the last 100 years. So you've got a very high credit-worthy type of counterparty here that has cash reserved regulatory against that contract. So now it's going, typically those contracts would trade at a much lower type of yield, but because there's some volatility around understanding the longevity of the contract, that volatility creates a higher yield profile.

Jay JacksonChairman and CEO

In addition to that, creates a very little correlation, a very low correlation to the other markets. If you think about it, the example I just laid out, you have an 80-year-old who's going to sell his contract for, let's say, $300,000 or $400,000. Ultimately, every year this contract becomes more valuable. It's kind of like a mortality driven zero coupon. As you get closer to par, right, driven by the mortality, that's what drives your returns. Therefore, if you have market volatility, it's not subject to traditional interest rate volatility, bond volatility, or equity market volatility. So here you've got this kind of lower correlated or uncorrelated yielding products in the high to low single digits that is effectively an A-rated piece of paper. The issue from institutional investors isn't the underlying investment. It's instead how do they get it?

Jay JacksonChairman and CEO

That's where Abacus sits, and we've been working really hard in building structured products to gain them access in a much more simplified format, like a securitization.

Patrick DavittAnalyst

Great. That's helpful. So, you recently had a great investor day in July and kind of framed the story in a way that asked investors to stop viewing Abacus as a life settlement transactional business, a trading business.

Patrick DavittAnalyst

Right. Instead, see it as infrastructure for, quote-unquote, "lifespan-linked finance." What are the externally measurable milestones you are looking to, and we should be looking to, over the next one or two years Right that will prove that reframe?

Jay JacksonChairman and CEO

For sure, because it is important to note, here is what we are not. We are not an insurance company. We do not issue policies.

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